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macca
02-19-2009, 08:26 PM
Well, I thought I'd post this up as when looking through my photos yesterday I realised I had quite a lot from when I had the old girl and I miss her, she was so much fun.

Despite what others say, I still vouch that this is the best of the GT-Fours :pah:

Well, I bought her completely standard from an old and slightly eccentric engineer with huge bushy eyebrows in Billingshurst in 2003 (I think).

The GT-Four was the first homologated WRC car that Toyota made. It was based on the ST162 Celica GT chassis and was first released in Japan in 1986. It was released to the US under the guise of Celica All-trac and to the UK as the Celica 4wd Turbo.

The GT-Four had the first generation of the Toyota 3S-GTE engine, reportedly derived from and very similar to the legendary 503E race engine.

It's a 1998cc 16v inline-4 cast iron block and ally head. In addition to the features of the 3S-GE engine (normally aspirated version) it aquired a lower compression ratio and oil squirters to the skirts of the pistons to aid lubrication and piston cooling, especially important on a turbocharged engine.

The engine received the Toyota CT26 turbo, also used in the Mk3 Supra Turbo and 4.2TD Landcruiser! To cool the intake temperature a small chargecooler was mounted on top of the engine.

In standard form, it made a whopping 185bhp (it was 1986) and 185lbft. Power was delivered through a 5-speed gearbox, with a viscous coupling centre diff and torsen rear diff for the rear wheels.

These cars have notoriously awful brakes. The GT-Four weighs in around 1400Kg with driver and has 254mm front vented discs and 265mm rear solid disks. Bizarre, and scary!

Enough of the history lesson anyway...

Ohhhh, forgot to mention. She was in need of some TLC when she was picked up, the tin worm had been having a field day :D

These are some pictures from the previous owner before she'd been left for a while -

http://www.i-macca.co.uk/stuff/st165/st165bio1.jpg

http://www.i-macca.co.uk/stuff/st165/st165bio2.jpg

http://www.i-macca.co.uk/stuff/st165/st165bio3.jpg

http://www.i-macca.co.uk/stuff/st165/st165bio4.jpg

I know these 'retro' looking cars aren't to everybody's taste, but I think there's something very cool about them. Some seriously nice/fast/fun cars for very little money.

I think I paid £400 for her back then, knowing she needed MOT work and welding. I never spent a lot on her and had a whole lot of car really. Budgets were tight!

macca
02-19-2009, 08:31 PM
Just a quick note, in the first picture of her going round Castle Combe, the black ST165 behind is owned by a guy called Ricky.

I don't think she's been out of the garage for a while but was viciously quick, having a custom aftermarket turbo kit, Motec ECU, custom AP Racing brakes (huge) and running about 350bhp. Affectionately named Puddles after leaking some oil and trying to set light to herself lol..

macca
02-19-2009, 08:44 PM
When I got her home, still standard:

http://www.i-macca.co.uk/stuff/st165/st165front.jpg

http://www.i-macca.co.uk/stuff/st165/st165rear.jpg

http://www.i-macca.co.uk/stuff/st165/st165engine.jpg

http://www.i-macca.co.uk/stuff/st165/st165interior.jpg

The car had very comfy seats that held you in well, something they lost the plot on in later cars. The pedals were well positioned for heel-toeing as well. Nice car to be inside generally, not too many frills though!

The air con didn't work and used an old and now illegal gas, so the system was taken out saving something in the region of 30 Kg!

macca
02-19-2009, 08:52 PM
Rust and brakes were next on the agenda. As mentioned the OEM front brakes were woefully underpowered. An easy swap is the discs, carriers and calipers from the UK and late Japanes ST185 (next model GT-Four).

This shows the discs compared, not a vast improvement but very noticeable:
http://www.i-macca.co.uk/stuff/st165/brakes1.jpg

These were the rear brakes, certainly didn't help the situation. Must have been from sitting around, they were excessively corroded and had 2mm rust 'pits' in them:
http://www.i-macca.co.uk/stuff/st165/brakes2.jpg

Replaced with the new ones and nicely painted calipers:

http://www.i-macca.co.uk/stuff/st165/brakes3.jpg

And then wheels from the facelift of the last model of Celica GT-Four the ST205 as the standard 14" wheels wouldn't fit over the new brakes:

http://www.i-macca.co.uk/stuff/st165/brakes4.jpg

Next to tackle was the rust situation. It was quite bad.. In fact, on a trip shortly before the front wings were replaced, I arrived home with rather less metal than I'd left earlier in the day with as the high speeds on the motorway had caused even more rust to blow away!! :blink:
http://www.i-macca.co.uk/stuff/st165/rust1.jpg

http://www.i-macca.co.uk/stuff/st165/rust2.jpg

http://www.i-macca.co.uk/stuff/st165/rust3.jpg

http://www.i-macca.co.uk/stuff/st165/rust4.jpg

http://www.i-macca.co.uk/stuff/st165/rust5.jpg

http://www.i-macca.co.uk/stuff/st165/rust6.jpg

I found some new wings off a GT model. Exactly the same wings but with different mouldings and missing a couple of bolt points for the bodykit. Easily rectified with a drill and some paint to stop them rusting. Nobody makes new wings for these anyway, so non-rusty ones are pretty rare.

http://www.i-macca.co.uk/stuff/st165/rust7.jpg

And the drill :D -

http://www.i-macca.co.uk/stuff/st165/maccadrill.jpg

macca
02-19-2009, 08:57 PM
I decided to take a slightly novel approach to getting some better fresh air in to the air filter. As the car was never going to be a concourse show car, and that wasn't what I was after, I thought I'd fit a vent to the bonnet.

Lots of ideas were thought about, but I settled on getting hold of a Renault 19 16v bonnet vent.

http://www.i-macca.co.uk/stuff/st165/vent1.jpg

Fitted to the car, and you can see the Blitz filter through the gap. It certainly seemed to work, much more response (and noise :) ) once fitted:

http://www.i-macca.co.uk/stuff/st165/vent3.jpg

http://www.i-macca.co.uk/stuff/st165/vent2.jpg

macca
02-19-2009, 09:06 PM
At Bolney in 2003/04 (can't remember which), with the wings, wheels, brakes, vent, air filter, dump valve all fitted.

Looking a bit better than when she was brought home!

http://www.i-macca.co.uk/stuff/st165/st165bolney.jpg

macca
02-19-2009, 09:07 PM
More to come but I'm too tired for tonight, will finish it soon! :)

AndysR
02-19-2009, 11:19 PM
The old tin worm got hold of those front wings properly! :(

Looks miles better now though with the new wings :)

mills
04-17-2009, 08:27 PM
have you still got this macca? looks good in the last pic :cool:

Angelnatty
04-17-2009, 08:40 PM
Aww dont worry babes, now we have my gorgeous GT4 to play with:eyes:, as well as most of the other members on the forum already!! :innocent: and dont you all just love her! although im not sure about you going near her with a drill at the moment, especially as she's creating a few bad feelings at the mo!!! hehehe, but i personally call it a group bonding session!!!!;)

But James and Ang to the rescue :) :notworthy:

macca
04-17-2009, 09:19 PM
Hi Mills, no unfortunately she went to the big scrapyard in the sky a few years ago. The old tin worm got the better of her :(

Don't worry Tasha, the GT4 will get fixed eventually! :)

Angelnatty
04-17-2009, 09:33 PM
Thanks Mark I'm sure it will :)

mills
04-17-2009, 11:23 PM
Hi Mills, no unfortunately she went to the big scrapyard in the sky a few years ago. The old tin worm got the better of her :(



thats a shame, you dont see many of them around any more.

850_Turbo_Brick
04-18-2009, 11:20 AM
dont you all just love her! although im not sure about you going near her with a drill at the moment, especially as she's creating a few bad feelings at the mo!!! hehehe, but i personally call it a group bonding session!!!!;)




Group bonding session????? more like:whip::whip:lol
now i think its time to:eekout: lol

Angelnatty
04-18-2009, 12:40 PM
Group bonding session????? more like:whip::whip:lol
now i think its time to:eekout: lol

Mr Badger, me thinks your one brave man :no: but dont you worry i can reinact your little scene next time your round!!! i'll polish my whip especially for you!!!! or i'll wait till we're at another resturant and actually question the waitress especially for you :haha:;)

Ang
04-19-2009, 08:57 AM
Mr Badger, me thinks your one brave man :no: but dont you worry i can reinact your little scene next time your round!!! i'll polish my whip especially for you!!!! or i'll wait till we're at another resturant and actually question the waitress especially for you :haha:;)

God your brave telling us all about your kinky behaviour :eyes: